If there were ever anyone who could humble Kanye West, it would be art dealer and interior designer Axel Vervoordt. In a recent interview for The Hollywood Reporter, the two artists exchanged ideas about the importance of proportions, the danger of ego, and their respective attitudes toward the creative process (neither watch the news, and both shudder at trends). “Architecture should communicate to humanity an understanding of proportion and spaces and the way it affects your mood,” West says in the interview. “Because we are all being attacked by things made not for the right reasons, whether from lack of education or lack of responsibility. There has to be a responsibility in design, whether it’s apparel, tech, Instagram, where you get so many likes, so it’s a dopamine that attacks your ego and your esteem. You know?” West also notes that he feels like he’s learned the most about the art of design when he was “bothered by things” and then had to “educate [himself] on how to react.”
Vervoordt, who helped West and his wife, Kim Kardashian, design their sprawling Calabasas, California, home, agreed, commending the rapper turned designer on his refusal to succumb to the pressure of trends. “I think everything you like, you do, you create, is beyond fashion,” the lauded Belgian designer tells West. “It’s not like with people, the mentality, ‘This is for this season, of next season’—it’s nothing to do. You like to create things that they are just there and they are timeless. I’m sure there are other creators who think fast fashion, who think this season, next season. I’m sure you never think like that, I never think like that.” West doesn’t sidestep the compliment; instead, he tells Vervoordt that, in fact, both he and his wife are masters of their own spheres of influence. “A designer told me that my wife was a master of light and I was a master of time,” he says. “How to use time is equal to being someone who can cut a diamond.” And West didn’t stop there; the multihyphenate also announced his latest project: a philosophy book titled Break the Simulation, about how human beings are obsessed with photographs. Wonder what his wife, selfie queen Kardashian, had to say about that?